Vista, laptops, notebooks, marketing, XP, instaling SATA, problems…

For The English readers

Yes, I know, it is frustrating to Google search and found something you really and badly need but just to found that is not in your language, or at last in this language that we all speak, English. From start, I apologise for my bad english, but…..
So, this page is a summary of, useful (I hope) information from my blog, and dedicated to you, all English speakers. Enjoy!
Valentin

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Vista, laptops, notebooks, marketing, XP, instaling SATA, problems…

Motto: “Setup did not find any hard disk drives“ 
or how to lose a weekend and a billion of neurons installing Windows XP on a new computer.
(for the short story, conclusion and indications, read just the final ) 

No, don’t thing I wanna say something bad about XP. On the contrary, it is a good operating system since SP2  
It’s all about the aggressive Vista marketing, and Microsoft, who want to push no matter how, the very resurce hungry and not enough tested, Windows Vista.

So… a friend of mine, have buy a brand new notebook Toshiba Satellite L40
OK, all good, he was very happy but, when started, as OS was just BIOS
He called me sad but I explain that is no such a big thing to install Windows and I will make this for him at once. But just as precaution, I ask if he had receive some drivers for this Laptop. “Of course, the folks from the store gave me in the same package, an CD whith all the drivers! ” , he answer me….
 Ok, perfect, so it must go quick,1 hour maximum. XP requires usually 45 minutes, but it can go faster“ Come at my place, and in the mean time I will go and buy a XP licence from the nearby computer store.
Ok…. so… I give a huge amount of money to a licenced Windows XP Professional with SP2 integrated and refuse multiple suggestions and insistence to buy Vista, go back home, insert the CD in the notebook, boot, XP setup starts, but, surprise: Error, “Setup did not find any hard disk drives ”
After the first emotion that the laptop is damaged, I recall that XP, even SP2, have no SATA drivers by default.  Terrible stupidity! Maybe Bill Gates have not enough money to buy drivers from Intel. Or, more probable, this is the stupid marketing to push Vista to our throats!
OK, no panic yet, we have the CD with all drivers and the SATA drivers must, of course be there. 
Oups! Second big surprise! On the famous CD “with all the drivers” as the vendor say, it is only a small pdf document with the romanian version of the manual. 
Fu#$!! After the normal “blessings” , quick to the Toshiba site for suport and drivers download.
Horror! For the Satellite L40 and many other models, they give drivers just for…. as you have guess already… just for Vista! Again fuuuu#$%&!!!
Okkkk. Hmmm…. We find the drivers with holly Google. But for what hardware?
I look in the manual, on the Thosiba site, on the box, everywhere! 
Results: Specifications L40: Notebook, pentium core duo, intel graphics shared,  wireless, lan, sound, hdd 120GB. As you can see, veeerrryyy very precise !
Huston, now we got a problem! We can panic now! Drivers, drivers, but for what?!?
Should I open it to take a look, or not yet…  i will try by guessing.
Use the Force Luke, even take some Spice from Dune, and I presume most probably, the chipset is Intel and from the Intel site I download all the SATA RAID drivers for Core Duo.  But, horror again, for the sata raid drivers, XP requires: “insert disk in Floppy A:” 
Floppy at a laptop from 2007! No way usb stick, emulate disk or other modern goodies. XP wants the drivers on floppy and that’s it!  I wonder why not on the 5,25 Floppy? Or why Vista not comes just on the floppies! 
Ok, we go on…. It may work with some compatible USB Floppy Disk drives, but I have not such a thing.
Last resort, I make a slipstream CD with all the drivers. That means I make with the excellent software, Nlite,  one XP cd with all the required drivers on it.
Oh, yes, for L40 model, Toshiba support site give for the wireless card, Atheros drivers, but the real card is Realtek. God help us…. 
And, pour la bonne bouche, as our french friends can say, or for the desert, on the Toshiba site,  for some recent models, if you want BIOS update, you will need 720kb floppies. Hurray!   That’s easy to find!
I am happy now, because I still have my old Commodore and Sinclair Spectrum.
And tomorrow I go to my grand mother for his old radio. You newer know when you need it……

So , in conclusion, if you have the same problem, this are the steps:
– The short and simple way, if you are lucky, search in BIOS, maybe you have some tab to deactivate SATA. If so, do it, deactivate, and after reboot you can install XP normally, and then, if you want, you will have time to search sata drivers, install, and reactivate sata from bios

That goes to Myria by Altex, some Toshiba and Asus models.

The hard way….
1. From Intel site, download SATA drivers, use a floppy or make a slipstream CD with nlite.  If you have some external floppy, you are lucky, when XP setup says: “press F6 to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver“, pres F6 and when required, insert floppy and from the list on the display, chose what driver you need. Probably, that ones with
 “mobile” next. If you are not sure, install all of them. Oh, and do not take the diskette out, leave it inside. 
After Xp is ready and running on your computer, for the other devices with problems or unrecognized, download from intel, a little utility, called Chiputil, but pay attention to download the latest version.
If you have Toshiba Satelitte L40 the devices are:
Sound: Realtek HD Audio si Microsoft UAA HD Audio
– Modem: Agere (toshiba) 56K Modem
– Wireless: Realtek8187B WLAN (drivers need manual instaled )
-For SATA RAID drivers and setup XP floppy util here 
In the zip archive you will find the instructions.

Other links: 
Utility for chipset detection: chipset intel
Verry good tutorial for slipstream CD nlite:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=111960

Driver packs for XP for a huge numbers of laptops models.
http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/

Driver pack1 for Toshiba
http://drop.io/A215_S7428Drivers

More ideas here:
http://www.nodans.com/index.cfm/2007/11/9/XP-Drivers-for-Toshiba-A215–S7428

Drivers and utilities for laptop ASUS:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070724222010609&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=3&model=G2S&page=1 

 —— UPDATE—-

UPDATE, UPDATE:

For a much easy way to make a boot cd with xp and sata drivers on it, just like nlite but much easy:
This is the software you need to create the cd with the drivers. It is also in multiple languages:
http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/DriverPack.php?pag=b 

Then download drivers packs from here, especially those for mass storage, for the setup XP can see the hard drive!
In http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/ 
you can find drivers for many models (ex Fujitsu Siemens, Myria, Davio, asus, and maybe yours) For  Toshiba here:
http://drop.io/A215_S7428Drivers 
and  Asus here:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070724222010609&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=3&model=G2S&page=1

– Use Driver Pack Base to create the XP install CD bootable with all the drivers
– Install XP,
– Have a beer 40min – 45min,  
– Have Fun!

Vista, laptopuri, notebook-uri, marketing, XP, SATA, probleme…..

For english readers click here:
https://2urbietorbi.wordpress.com/4-the-english-speakers/

Motto: „Setup did not find any hard disk drives„ 
sau cum pierzi un weekend si un miliard de neuroni instaland XP-ul pe un computer nou.
(pentru solutie si rezumat, cititi direct la final) 

 UPDATE, UPDATE: Pentru cei care nu au inteles. Slipstream egal introducerea driverelor necesare, personalizate, pe un cd de instalare XP, bootabil 

Pentru o varianta mult mai simpla ca nlite dar care isi face treaba de slipstream
Downloadati de aici Driver Pack Base: http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/DriverPack.php?pag=b 
Este softul pentru slipsteam, are si limba romana, pentru o interpretare mai usoara.
Apoi downloadati driverele din driver pack-urile de mai jos, in special cele pentru mass storage, ca sa va vada hardul!
In http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/ 
gasiti drivere pentru foarte multe modele (ex Fujitsu Siemens, Myria, si posibil si cel al dv) apoi eventual descarcati si cele la care am mai dat link-uri, speciale pentru Toshiba,
http://drop.io/A215_S7428Drivers 
si Asus
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070724222010609&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=3&model=G2S&page=1

-Folositi Driver Pack Base pentru a crea CD-ul de instalare bootabil cu toate driverele 
-Instalati XP-ul,
-Beti o bere 40min cat se instaleaza,  
-Have Fun!

 Acum puteti citi restul––––––

Nu, sa nu credeti ca ma iau de XP. Dimpotriva, de la SP2 incoace e un SO bunicel.
Despre altceva e vorba. Marketingul agresiv de promovare a lui Vista.
Deci….
Un bun prieten si-a cumparat un laptop Toshiba Satellite L40.
Toate bune si frumoase,  pret ok, dar… cand ii da drumul, sistem de operare… doar BIOS. 🙂  Continuarea…..   
 Ma suna amarat si ii explic cum ca nu-i asa un mare bai, punem noi Windows XP. Totusi, precaut, il intreb daca are cd cu drivere. „Desigur, cei de la magazin mi-au dat in pachet si un cd cu toate driverele.”
Ok, perfect,  trebuie sa mearga repede. Maxim 1 ora. XP-ul cere cam 40min dar merge de obicei si mai repede.
„Hai la mine, ii spun. Eu ma duc intre timp sa cumpar o licenta XP si ii dam drumul.”

Buuun. Dau o caruta de bani pe un XP Profesional SP2, refuz multiplele avansuri ale vanzatorului de a cumpara Vista, vin acasa, bag CD-ul in laptop si surprize, surprize, error, „Setup did not find any hard disk drives ” sau pe romaneste nu gasea harddisk-ul.  Dupa prima emotie imi aduc aminte ca XP-ul, chiar si cel Profesional, nu are din start pe CD drivere pt SATA. Teribila imbecilitate. De ce naiba nu pun driverele, nu inteleg. Macar in SP2 si tot ar fi trebuit sa le bage. Probabil, Bill nu are bani sa cumpere licenta pt. ele…..

OK, no panic, doar avem CD-ul cu drivere, sunt desigur acolo. 
Hopa! A doua surpriza! Pe faimosul cd „cu drivere si tot ce mai trebuie” dupa vorba vanzatorului, se afla doar un mic .pdf cu manualul in limba romana.
Dupa blestemele de rigoare, directia urgent site-ul toshiba pt suport.
Oroare! Pt. modelul Satellite L40 nu au drivere decat pt. Vista. Bagami…@$$$!!!
Buuuun….. Gasim drivere cu sfantul Google, dar sa vedem pt ce componente. Ma uit la specificatii in manual, pe site, magazine online, etc. Rezultatul:
Specificatii L40: Notebook, pentium core duo, intel graphics shared,  wireless, lan, sound, hdd 120GB. Foooaaartee precis, ce sa spun!
Huston, now we got a problem! Drivere, drivere, dar pt ce?!? Sa-l desfac, sa nu-l desfac….
O iau pe ghicite. Use the Force Luke, iau si Spice pentru prestiinta si presupun ca cel mai probabil chipsetul e tot intel si trag driverele SATA pentru toate chipset-urile care suporta Core Duo. 
Dar…. alta oroare! Desigur XP-ul ca sa incarce driverele SATA cere „insert disk in Floppy A:” 
Floppy la un laptop din 2007! Nici vorba cu usb stick, emulate disk sau alte fitze. El vrea driverele pe floppy si gata!  Stau si ma intreb, de ce nu le cere chiar pe floppy de 5,25? Eventual Vista sa vina doar pe floppy-uri.  Ok, odiseea continua. Ar merge un floppy pe usb, dar de unde? Fac cu nlite un slipstream CD cu XP-ul si toate driverele si hurray, setup-ul porneste. Nu are rost sa mai continui, aceeasi poveste cu drivere-le pentru toate componentele. Unde mai pui ca pe site-ul Toshiba, pt. wireless-ul de la acest model da drivere Atheros, cand de fapt, chip-ul wireless este Realtek. La fel cu sunetul, etc, etc….
Aaaaaa, si pentru la bonne bouche, tot la ei pe site, pt. anumite modele (recente!), ca sa faci update de BIOS iti trebuie dischete de 720kb. 🙂 Dragalas si usor de gasit, nu-i asa?
Ideea este ca ma bucur fiindca am pastrat vechiul Commodore. Acum caut si un radio pe lampi, nu stii niciodata cand iti trebuie…..

Deci, daca patiti asa ceva, pasii sunt urmatorii:

Cel mai bine, cautati in bios, o optiune de a dezactiva SATA si instalati normal, apoi, dupa instalarea XP-ului, instalati driverele de pe net, activati inapoi SATA si game over.
Acceasi chestie, dezactivare sata merge si la Myria de la Altex.
The hard way….
1. Trageti de pe site-ul Intel driverele SATA si le puneti pe un floppy (sau extrem, le puteti introduce pe un slipstream CD cu XP)
Daca alegeti sa instalati driverele SATA direct de pe discheta, va trebuie o unitate floppy externa. O puteti imprumuta de undeva.
Apoi, chiar la pornirea setupului XP, cand va afiseaza: „press F6 to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver„, apasati F6 si cand cere, introduceti discheta.
Calculatorul va va afisa lista de drivere, cel mai probabil, unele cu „mobile” langa. Acelea va trebuie. Daca nu stiti care exact, instalati-le pe toate pe rand.  A, dupa, nu scoateti discheta pentru ca va mai cauta pe ea.  Apoi instalarea decurge normal.
2. Din ce device-uri nu recunoaste XP-ul….. dumnezeu cu mila, o luati pe incercate.
Eventual trageti un utilitar INTEL, numit Chiputil neaparat ultima versiune (atentie la versiune ca pe site-ul Intel sunt si mai multe versiuni vechi) si vedeti ce chipset aveti.
3. Daca modelul dvs corespunde cu modelul susmentionat driverele necesare sunt:
– Sound: Realtek HD Audio si Microsoft UAA HD Audio
– Modem: Agere (toshiba) 56K Modem
– Wireless: Realtek8187B WLAN se instaleaza manual
-Pentru driverele SATA RAID si pornirea setup-ului XP utilitarul floppy aici 
In arhiva zip sunt si instructiunile

Alte link-uri: 
Utiltarul pentru detectarea chipset-ului intel aici
Foarte bun tutorial pentru slipstream CD nlite aici:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=111960

Pachete de drivere XP pentru diferite configuratii de laptop ca ultima solutie.
http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/

Driver pack1 pentru Toshiba
http://drop.io/A215_S7428Drivers

Alte idei aici:
http://www.nodans.com/index.cfm/2007/11/9/XP-Drivers-for-Toshiba-A215–S7428

Drivere pentru laptop ASUS si utilitare
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070724222010609&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=3&model=G2S&page=1 

Multa bafta.